半小时后走出大派展厅，转入旁边的大昌展厅———— [复制链接]

想没有皇帝位解决喇叭的相位失真是首要，想音场表现还须解解决低频中上段的量和传真度，更应该解决低频中上段与中频上段一直至到高频上段的相位的一致性，极高频起到润泽的作用。

要讨论这个最好另开主题，前面一大堆。。。。。。唉！

KENTRYFO 在 2003-12-16 11:57:32 发表的内容 leslie 在 2003-12-16 11:49:37 发表的内容 系统的去考虑，清楚自己要的是什么：） 对，我需要将两种设计理念结合在一起。 同时，如果经纶先生要的只是“没有皇帝位”的声音，那么，用现在厂家新推出的音箱就可能出现遗憾。——包括天朗现在的旗舰和麦惊涛现在的旗舰。排除听音的生理特性，他应该以老箱子播放他理想的音乐——我也会很喜欢的。

比如以前BOSE追求的那样。其实没有皇帝位会接近影院的特点。而我理解经纶先生要的不只是“没有皇帝位”的声音，而是美妙的声音能弥漫在你的周围而感动你，皇帝位则能带来更多定位和音场的表现。见笑了。

一个不允许不同观点，只希望大团圆结局的地方，怎能保持长久的人气？很多HIFI论坛的衰败都映证了这一点。
对于大派，只有一句话：想说爱你不容易。

In a really good system, one can easily find sharp focus even the speakers are facing strgith forward. Of course, the distance between 2 speakers
must be carefully adjusted

support!

leslie 在 2003-12-16 11:49:37 发表的内容 系统的去考虑，清楚自己要的是什么：）

对，我需要将两种设计理念结合在一起。
同时，如果经纶先生要的只是“没有皇帝位”的声音，那么，用现在厂家新推出的音箱就可能出现遗憾。——包括天朗现在的旗舰和麦惊涛现在的旗舰。排除听音的生理特性，他应该以老箱子播放他理想的音乐——我也会很喜欢的。

madog 在 2003-12-14 13:21:04 发表的内容 阿泰 在 2003-12-8 15:49:23 发表的内容 salu 在 2003-12-8 10:40:11 发表的内容 [quote]车大炮 在 2003-12-7 1:45:24 发表的内容 因为有好多人说大派胆机的不是，这回我专门到大派的展厅听个究竟，大派胆机今天推的是JK的PM-122II大型音箱，我用了约半小时，听了多首乐曲，歌曲。 出来后转到旁边的大昌展厅，一入门口，我就发觉，刚才我浪费了那半小时！ 可能有人说是什么回事，说也没用，你在两个地方听过之后就有答案了。 陳經綸確實比大派有派頭，手上拿的是煙斗而不是咪頭，細絲腳架的無框眼鏡，在細節上很會作派的，害我有想買個煙斗的衝動。造形上跟天朗的紳士風格滿般配的，加分！嘿嘿！ 不過這次的超高音喇叭的表現還是稍過了點，稍銳利了點，感覺有點生澀，像新喇叭沒有煲透似的，配合不了紳士的那種醇和泰然的味道，有點失衡了，減分！ 陳經綸的演示和器材表現相得益彰，都貴氣滿堂。 那天反應熱烈到他想去吃飯都不行，慘！！！

Yeah, the high frequency is a bit sharp in some recording but I think the   most important performance is, the system has the ability to preserve all
the details. This I guess could be rectified by changing other interconnect
or speaker cable. If it can change it to more mellow, soft but with speed, then it will be regarded as a high-end system. The most important issue in a
system is, they (all electronics) are capable to reproduce all the details,
nuance from the software (CD). then we can tailor the sound how they
express in a way we think the best.
If one system does not own such quality, then no matter what sort of cable
or interconnect one used has not good result. That is, as Mr.Chan commented in his music demo, he always emphasize the resolution of the
electronics and the bass region is the best way to demonstrate the
capability of the amps, CD players, DAC, etc.etc.
The harsh high frequency you'd heard, I think is the measure of enegy in such a way, depands where you sit (the distance between your goodself
and the loudspeaker.
Mr. Chan also stated that, good system should full-fill the room with music
regardless of where you sit or stand, but the best way to hear the focus of the solo instrument or vocal, of course should be in the middle of the
loudspeakers and somewhere away from them.
I still remember Mr.Chan said many years ago, " turn on your system and
walk our from your music room, if you feel that you can feel the music is
player as if somebody(s) is(are) playing live, then it shouldn't be a bad
system."

I am not trying to coaching people but I think Mr. Chan's comments are
quite OK.

Sorry folks, I can only type English and fogive my poor Chinese typing.

By the way, Ah Tai, Mr. Chan would like to thank you for the comment you
had written and he wanted me to show his appreciations to you and to
CHIR DAI PAU.[/quote]


爲什麽說高音稍過呢？總體平衡來説，讓人一聼就可感覺出超高頻來，未能完全融進整體之中，因此說銜接稍有失衡了。坐在第四排正中，陳洁麗小妹妹的錄音，本就高頻較尖細的，超高音喇叭表現出來也很幼細，奈何除此之外還有一些衍生出來的假細節，因此才說有生澀未煲透的感覺。能夠看得出來的刻意，算不上貴气。

阿淘的錄音《水路》，第四首《蒲公英》，歌詞大意是這樣的：
黃黃花蕊、日頭下睡，
圓圓小球、令人惜愛，
小時候叫它作糖波波，
握在手上，它會度你飛過河背，
歐。。。。。。
追風的孩子不見了，
追風的心情不見了，
不變的是追風的季節，
手上的糖波波隨風而飛。
整首曲子都是一種遠景的描繪，追憶的小時候，隨風飛遠的蒲公英，詩人老婆婆的娓娓背景獨白，意境多麽悠遠。遇上同軸大喇叭，請把音量收細，點解？豐滿的聲音填滿整個房間，沒有留下散發想象的空間，意境何來？用長焦，還是用廣角？

阿泰 在 2003-12-15 14:53:57 发表的内容 madog 在 2003-12-14 13:21:04 发表的内容 [quote] Mr. Chan also stated that, good system should full-fill the room with music regardless of where you sit or stand, but the best way to hear the focus of the solo instrument or vocal, of course should be in the middle of the loudspeakers and somewhere away from them. I still remember Mr.Chan said many years ago, " turn on your system and walk our from your music room, if you feel that you can feel the music is player as if somebody(s) is(are) playing live, then it shouldn't be a bad system." 音樂廳一樣的氛圍，是最HI-END的，i'm lovin'it------。

Hey, good quote. By the way, you like hamburger ? haha.....

leslie 在 2003-12-16 9:14:56 发表的内容 在展示会上，系统的表现很难去追求它的定位和音场，但音质的好坏还是可以判断的：）

我想，展示会已经过去了太久了。
但又有一问题：整套系统出现一种音质，而又不允许我们作出改变时，我们能决然断定是环境、器材、器材的某一项主导着这音质吗？当我们拥有这个能力时，我们就应着手去改善他。这是没错的了。

有兴趣跟“英文”谈的问题是：我们既要在房间每一处都听到美妙的音乐，又要能够明确区分乐队的结构，能否协调？是否可以互相妥协？同时，我认为：老一代的音箱，比较讲究利用箱体的谐振放音，而新一代的音箱就往往极力减少谐振，在目前我们对声音认识和控制都没有充分认识的情况下，必须将两种风格设计的音箱的特性综合起来！！——毕竟，我们现在的科技条件发声的应该是音箱而不是单元。星期天我到大派听音乐时就遇到了一种情况：与展览上使用的同一牌子的音箱，在相同器材配搭条件下，所有的弦乐竟没有了低频！！看清楚一点，我留意到了器材搭配的不统一之处：在音箱与架子之间没有加上原配的木垫！！——这个木垫是半球形的，球顶顶着音箱！！！再用手触一下正在响的音箱，我明白了——箱体的谐振与弦乐低频的频率在同一频响范围！！！！球顶顶箱目的就是要激发谐振！！！！本想与menn联系一下，加了木垫后的情况，由于短信功能没有了，就不能印证我的想法。不过我想：我今天真正理解了一对高价音箱的设计思想——其设计真是绝了，达到了无所不用其极的最经济模式。反过来，我考虑到此箱要正常播放音乐，其谐振比较大，那么对高音的影响是很大的，如何避免高音随谐振来震动？这是用家必须面对的问题，也许也是tad与pm的品管水平与档次所决定的。

阿泰 在 2003-12-15 11:06:45 发表的内容 那天大昌的展示，因我找不到坐的位置，前后左右地站过不少地方，但不管我身处展厅的那一个位置，都会被那妙不可言的音乐所打动，太正点了，非笔墨可以形容。

And this is what we called the dispersion. That means the speakers have
a character of better directivity. To elaborate this directivity, it means,
theoritically, the speaker should disperse the full spectrum within the angle
of at least 90 degree evenly. If the speakers sound peaky somewhere in
the mid to high frequency, then the speaker becomes beaming. We
called it beaming effect which is not good for hi fi reproduction.
A good directivity is comes from speaker itself that means the entire spectrum is evenly distribute into the air. Sometime the pros system have serious
feedback howling when talking or singing through mic, is simply due to
bad directivity. The peak has a much stronger energy(sound level) that eventually inject into the microphone then howling occur.
Even though you have a good speaker of good directivity character, yet,
peaky sound might come from electronics of bad design such as amps,
sound source, or perhaps cable would affect or generate peaky sound.
This is what we called noisy, irritated to our ears.
Your feel in that day is a result of wide dispersion of sound that whereever you stand, the music is there. This also count on the energy level of mid and high frequency.
Some system won't go far because their mid and high energy is less than
ideal. We can almost determine that the system is lacking harmonics and
add up together, the system has no penetration power.
To be honest, these are thing that Mr. Chan told me.
Once again, I am not Mr. Chan but if you guys giving him credits, I'll turn
around to let him know as I think he deserved the credits.
Thanks once agin your comment, I'll tell Mr. Chan.
By the way,  I don't think Mr. Chan would have time to join us in this forum.

menn 在 2003-12-16 11:52:17 发表的内容 KENTRYFO兄有副好耳朵！您谈到的这个问题已经折磨了我快一个星期了；没想到什么别的好招对付，休息两天找找灵感再去解决之。如能顺利解决，届时再约兄面谈。

加油！！！愿闻其详！