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半小时后走出大派展厅,转入旁边的大昌展厅———— [复制链接]

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madog 在 2003-12-17 10:25:30 发表的内容
madog 在 2003-12-16 3:48:54 发表的内容
阿泰 在 2003-12-15 11:06:45 发表的内容
那天大昌的展示,因我找不到坐的位置,前后左右地站过不少地方,但不管我身处展厅的那一个位置,都会被那妙不可言的音乐所打动,太正点了,非笔墨可以形容。


And this is what we called the dispersion. That means the speakers have
a character of better directivity. To elaborate this directivity, it means,
theoritically, the speaker should disperse the full spectrum within the angle
of at least 90 degree evenly. If the speakers sound peaky somewhere in
the mid to high frequency, then the speaker becomes beaming. We
called it beaming effect which is not good for hi fi reproduction.
A good directivity is comes from speaker itself that means the entire spectrum is evenly distribute into the air. Sometime the pros system have serious
feedback howling when talking or singing through mic, is simply due to
bad directivity. The peak has a much stronger energy(sound level) that eventually inject into the microphone then howling occur.
Even though you have a good speaker of good directivity character, yet,
peaky sound might come from electronics of bad design such as amps,
sound source, or perhaps cable would affect or generate peaky sound.
This is what we called noisy, irritated to our ears.
Your feel in that day is a result of wide dispersion of sound that whereever you stand, the music is there. This also count on the energy level of mid and high frequency.
Some system won't go far because their mid and high energy is less than
ideal. We can almost determine that the system is lacking harmonics and
add up together, the system has no penetration power.
To be honest, these are thing that Mr. Chan told me.
Once again, I am not Mr. Chan but if you guys giving him credits, I'll turn
around to let him know as I think he deserved the credits.
Thanks once agin your comment, I'll tell Mr. Chan.
By the way,  I don't think Mr. Chan would have time to join us in this forum.





I had missed out something on my post. When I said DIRECTIVITY,
that is not enough or it is not right.
The term DIRECTIVITY should be written as

       CONSTANT DIRECTIVITY

Sorry folks, excuse me of being misleading.



既然擁有完美擴散和指向性,請順便講解一下音箱擺位内拗的用意?

Some system won't go far because their mid and high energy is less than ideal. We can almost determine that the system is lacking harmonics and add up together, the system has no penetration power.
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madog 在 2003-12-16 3:48:54 发表的内容
阿泰 在 2003-12-15 11:06:45 发表的内容
那天大昌的展示,因我找不到坐的位置,前后左右地站过不少地方,但不管我身处展厅的那一个位置,都会被那妙不可言的音乐所打动,太正点了,非笔墨可以形容。


And this is what we called the dispersion. That means the speakers have
a character of better directivity. To elaborate this directivity, it means,
theoritically, the speaker should disperse the full spectrum within the angle
of at least 90 degree evenly. If the speakers sound peaky somewhere in
the mid to high frequency, then the speaker becomes beaming. We
called it beaming effect which is not good for hi fi reproduction.
A good directivity is comes from speaker itself that means the entire spectrum is evenly distribute into the air. Sometime the pros system have serious
feedback howling when talking or singing through mic, is simply due to
bad directivity. The peak has a much stronger energy(sound level) that eventually inject into the microphone then howling occur.
Even though you have a good speaker of good directivity character, yet,
peaky sound might come from electronics of bad design such as amps,
sound source, or perhaps cable would affect or generate peaky sound.
This is what we called noisy, irritated to our ears.
Your feel in that day is a result of wide dispersion of sound that whereever you stand, the music is there. This also count on the energy level of mid and high frequency.
Some system won't go far because their mid and high energy is less than
ideal. We can almost determine that the system is lacking harmonics and
add up together, the system has no penetration power.
To be honest, these are thing that Mr. Chan told me.
Once again, I am not Mr. Chan but if you guys giving him credits, I'll turn
around to let him know as I think he deserved the credits.
Thanks once agin your comment, I'll tell Mr. Chan.
By the way,  I don't think Mr. Chan would have time to join us in this forum.





I had missed out something on my post. When I said DIRECTIVITY,
that is not enough or it is not right.
The term DIRECTIVITY should be written as

       CONSTANT DIRECTIVITY

Sorry folks, excuse me of being misleading.
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疯狗兄能讲中文吗?
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14#

很费劲,看这英文。
如说现实世界不是最好的,音响不应该光是“高保真”,我是可以认可的,不过,如果单单只有音乐和其他的旋律等等而不能形成虚拟的音乐空间,没有乐队的结构感,就难以分清音乐的结构,我无论如何是觉得是一种遗憾。如果你能用中文交谈,我们就可以谈的较欢。
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KENTRYFO兄有副好耳朵!您谈到的这个问题已经折磨了我快一个星期了;没想到什么别的好招对付,休息两天找找灵感再去解决之。如能顺利解决,届时再约兄面谈。
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KENTRYFO 在 2003-12-15 15:00:16 发表的内容
哪一位,最好能把英文翻译一下,因为,实在是进入到一个大家可以讨论和真正学一点东西的时候了,机不可失!!!要么,请e、l、K、KUGANG等斑竹安排一下,应该翻译出来,让更多的人有机会学习。再就是:陈先生的论点无疑是正确的,也可能是大家的共同期待。


To say one more I AM NOT MR.CHAN . but I can always telling him what
is happening such as Ah Tai and Chai Dai Pao shows their appreciation    toward Mr. Chan and I think I should let him know.
Mr. Chan also told me there is no the BEST in the real world ( it only exist in our imaginations. as the they say BEAUTY IS IN THE EYES OF THE
BEHOLDER. this is good, there are alway some regrets now for further
improvement.
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salu 在 2003-12-17 13:00:20 发表的内容
madog 在 2003-12-17 10:25:30 发表的内容
madog 在 2003-12-16 3:48:54 发表的内容
[quote]阿泰 在 2003-12-15 11:06:45 发表的内容
那天大昌的展示,因我找不到坐的位置,前后左右地站过不少地方,但不管我身处展厅的那一个位置,都会被那妙不可言的音乐所打动,太正点了,非笔墨可以形容。


And this is what we called the dispersion. That means the speakers have
a character of better directivity. To elaborate this directivity, it means,
theoritically, the speaker should disperse the full spectrum within the angle
of at least 90 degree evenly. If the speakers sound peaky somewhere in
the mid to high frequency, then the speaker becomes beaming. We
called it beaming effect which is not good for hi fi reproduction.
A good directivity is comes from speaker itself that means the entire spectrum is evenly distribute into the air. Sometime the pros system have serious
feedback howling when talking or singing through mic, is simply due to
bad directivity. The peak has a much stronger energy(sound level) that eventually inject into the microphone then howling occur.
Even though you have a good speaker of good directivity character, yet,
peaky sound might come from electronics of bad design such as amps,
sound source, or perhaps cable would affect or generate peaky sound.
This is what we called noisy, irritated to our ears.
Your feel in that day is a result of wide dispersion of sound that whereever you stand, the music is there. This also count on the energy level of mid and high frequency.
Some system won't go far because their mid and high energy is less than
ideal. We can almost determine that the system is lacking harmonics and
add up together, the system has no penetration power.
To be honest, these are thing that Mr. Chan told me.
Once again, I am not Mr. Chan but if you guys giving him credits, I'll turn
around to let him know as I think he deserved the credits.
Thanks once agin your comment, I'll tell Mr. Chan.
By the way,  I don't think Mr. Chan would have time to join us in this forum.





I had missed out something on my post. When I said DIRECTIVITY,
that is not enough or it is not right.
The term DIRECTIVITY should be written as

       CONSTANT DIRECTIVITY

Sorry folks, excuse me of being misleading.



既然擁有完美擴散和指向性,請順便講解一下音箱擺位内拗的用意?

Some system won't go far because their mid and high energy is less than ideal. We can almost determine that the system is lacking harmonics and add up together, the system has no penetration power. [/quote]


The focus of any instruments or vocal is determined from the original recording, such as a music CD and it was tuned or pan to the proper position by the recording engineer(s) who according to his equipments in the studio.
In other word, recording engineer(s) uses his or their equipments as
recording reference.
The center image or focus was then determined by the engineer. It's
rather  simple, if engineer(s) give both channel same amount of level, then when we playback at home, the solo vocal or instrument will be in the
center position. This is the fact of phasing and I am not ready to talk about
in this forum because it would take a long hours to explain.
Back to our hom, when we cannot obtain the sharp focus while the
speakers were being face straight forward, more or less, I would assume,
the system may have insufficient mid to high frequency energy as most of
the solos are in the range of mid to high frequency. Toe-in your speakers
would help a lot. If so, the system's constant directivity may be less than
ideal. But for most audiophile, it is difficult to find out which link is to be
blamed.
In a really good system, one can easily find sharp focus even the speakers are facing strgith forward. Of course, the distance between 2 speakers
must be carefully adjusted
For initial speakers setup, you may put 2 speakers further apart, play a
vocal and find out the focus of the mouth. If the speakers were too distance away, you will find hollow in the middle, this implies insufficient of frequency energy that mostly mid & high register.
You may drag them closer till you find a sharper focus. However, toe-in your speakers is the most effective and easy way to obtain the right focus.
Back to the constant directivity.
If the system really achieve a near perfect constant directivity (including the speakers and electronics), you are able to put your speaker face forward to obtain a proper focus.
There is another case, for example, in case your speakers are OK, but if you have a really bad electronics, then this does not hold truth as the speakers need a full spectrum to satisfy the sound field.
Now, if a less than ideal electronic is not able to correctly reproduce harmonics, the instruments or vocal is not completed as the original sound
source, then it cannot penetrate very far in the air. You might imagin the air is a pool of water that will provide damping and of course water has a much higher density, but the phenominum is similar.

At last, hey guy, I like your attitud and this is the ways for working out problem.
Cheers and happy listening
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其实,有位身在意大利的朋友告诉我:在欧洲的文化氛围中,人与人之间的争端很容易解决,因为他们的文化比较讲究个性化,相互容纳度较高。但是,要“发达”并不容易,因为他们制度只鼓励创新,人文在发展个性的同时,也指向独特的表现,此外,正常的情况下,他们讲究的就是“专业精神”。只有建基于“专业精神”才可能谋求进一步的发展。联想起来,如果我们放开来谈,以全心全意的心情探讨多一点“为何”?何愁不能对hifi没有更好的理解??
最后编辑KENTRYFO
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madog 在 2003-12-16 4:09:12 发表的内容
KENTRYFO 在 2003-12-15 15:00:16 发表的内容
哪一位,最好能把英文翻译一下,因为,实在是进入到一个大家可以讨论和真正学一点东西的时候了,机不可失!!!要么,请e、l、K、KUGANG等斑竹安排一下,应该翻译出来,让更多的人有机会学习。再就是:陈先生的论点无疑是正确的,也可能是大家的共同期待。


To say one more I AM NOT MR.CHAN . but I can always telling him what
is happening such as Ah Tai and Chai Dai Pao shows their appreciation    toward Mr. Chan and I think I should let him know.
Mr. Chan also told me there is no the BEST in the real world ( it only exist in our imaginations. as the they say BEAUTY IS IN THE EYES OF THE
BEHOLDER. this is good, there are alway some regrets now for further
improvement.


别担心,没有人误解你就是陈先生。但是如果你能都用中文,我们就不用产生更多的误会了。同时,大家可能都希望陈经纶来先生真的来讲一讲。
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因此下次音展时大派要做好充足准备,不要出现诸如在大房里,且人声鼎沸之时用万元机推大箱演示了。我想这是连我等菜鸟都能预先料到并避免的错误。希望国产品牌做得更好。
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