请问天朗贵族系列的TURNBERRY HE现在大概售价多少? [复制链接]

Turnberry  HE+ST200应该在4W，另外还要再花1K多米另配一条原厂0.75米专用喇叭线，这样才会没有遗憾，否则心里总是不舒服。还有，新箱买来只是毛坯，厂商会送你两瓶蜡，你需要自己动手擦蜡（当然，你要是放心让别人干也可以），至少要两遍，大概3个月以后你才会玩出点味道。

lqdxy 在 2004-3-4 14:27:36 发表的内容 没有啊，因为我很要好的朋友是上海大昌代理商的经理哦。 还有请问Darren兄，你的MA6200推STIRLING TW的感觉如何？我听过MA6850推STIRLING HE，怎么感到声音有点发闷呢？

What is the gentleman's name from Shanghai Da Chong ?

madog 在 2004-3-4 22:48:00 发表的内容 寻芳不觉醉 在 2004-3-3 21:18:39 发表的内容 据研究,麦景图公房才是天朗贵族系列的绝配!!! 以前说金嗓子与天朗绝配的只是商业操作而已. 我暂用天龙AVR-2600G推她,效果也很不错.呵呵 I don't think so.

Then what do you think?  is"金嗓子才是天朗贵族系列的绝配"
or"天龙AVR-2600G推她,效果肯定不行"?

lqdxy 在 2004-3-4 14:27:36 发表的内容 没有啊，因为我很要好的朋友是上海大昌代理商的经理哦。 还有请问Darren兄，你的MA6200推STIRLING TW的感觉如何？我听过MA6850推STIRLING HE，怎么感到声音有点发闷呢？

我的斯大林已经没有使用了，闲置在一边，MA6200也在一旁休息

了~呵呵~

另外我的斯大林是老版并非现在的HE~

寻芳不觉醉 在 2004-3-4 23:07:25 发表的内容 madog 在 2004-3-4 22:48:00 发表的内容 寻芳不觉醉 在 2004-3-3 21:18:39 发表的内容 据研究,麦景图公房才是天朗贵族系列的绝配!!! 以前说金嗓子与天朗绝配的只是商业操作而已. 我暂用天龙AVR-2600G推她,效果也很不错.呵呵 I don't think so. Then what do you think?  is"金嗓子才是天朗贵族系列的绝配" or"天龙AVR-2600G推她,效果肯定不行"?

I didn't say Denon is not OK, but to drive the Tannoy speakers well is not
necessarily be a Mac.

May I ask, what is your research comes from ? Are you sure Mac best
matched with Tannoy is not a commercial propergander ???? or you
just heard somebody said so ????

May I ask how many times you had listened to Accuphase driving with
Tannoy Prestige Series of speaker system ??? and where ????

May I also ask, did you direct AB test the 2 brands amps to drive the
Tannoy ???

May I ask, where you listen to the Mac drives the Tannoy with good
performance.

I would like to learn and listen to Mac with Tannoy myself.

I won't tell you what kind of cable and interconnect my friend
used here. It is that I wanted you to know, these cables are
vital toa system. This is also the reasons why I ask you so many
questions.

我的一位朋友也想买D500，可惜那里已经没货了，连最后一对样品都卖掉了。我朋友说D系列已经停产，进不到货了，现在他那里大概还有D700和D900几对存货，不过这几天他家中有点事在休息，过几天给你问问，你是否诚心想要？

madog:

金嗓子推天朗贵族系列,中高频可以,,但低频控制不好,力水不是很足.这点我用麦景图亲耳聆听比较过.
       说到天朗，人们自然会联想到金嗓子。因为金嗓子与天朗可谓公认的黄金搭配。但是，由于金嗓子是日本器材风格的顶级代表且价钱十分昂贵，所以拿金嗓子来推天朗的中低价位系列产品,效果当然很好,但显然也是很不合情理的。所以,并不是所有的金嗓子与天朗都是黄金搭配的.

lqdxy 在 2004-3-4 14:27:36 发表的内容 没有啊，因为我很要好的朋友是上海大昌代理商的经理哦。 还有请问Darren兄，你的MA6200推STIRLING TW的感觉如何？我听过MA6850推STIRLING HE，怎么感到声音有点发闷呢？

你很要好的朋友是上海大昌代理商的经理呀！帮我问问天朗的D300 D500 D700 D900要多少钱？拜托！！
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Tannoy：《天朗》是早年间港台发烧圈中赫赫有名老牌名厂，在日本尤为有名，在高级发烧友中，用《金嗓子》或精品胆机推《西敏寺》，绝对是身份之象征，往往数十年不想换机，甚至终生相守。可惜的是，近年来Tannoy竟然也追起时尚来了，大量出产中和低价音箱，搞新科技，铺天盖地在中国大陆推广，甚至许多中小城市的音响店用些真假难辨的“六角箱”播放粤语时代曲，唱卡拉OK……令人不忍卒听。难道这就是传奇的“天朗之声”吗？近年来hi-end界聆听口味已变，代表五十年代科技（与美国JBL同时代）的老贵族Tannoy，痛感美人迟暮，转向暴富一族抛媚眼，令人扼腕。其实平心而论，Tannoy自有不可磨灭的辉煌，它代表着与BBC专家学者路线人同的，它是英国传统贵族化（非专业化）音响设计的最高成就。Tannoy的基础设计是大型迷宫式背负号角音箱，大型同轴一体化高/低音全频带单元。Tannoy在五十年代，能设计制造出这样完美的产品，绝对是一代惊世之作，称得上名器这两个字的最确切含意。最近，我在北京发烧圈中对于Tannoy深有认识的友人老范家中，用关氏只有3W输出的直垫三极管2A3单端胆机Natural Diamond来推Tannoy专业监听箱LGM。听Borodin String Quartet演奏老柴《如歌的行板》，琴音深情凄婉，沧桑悱恻，真实无比，不少中央乐团的专家听过也惊为绝唱，比之于一代名器Marantz2推Sonus Faber Guarneri，竟然犹胜一筹！此一刻，我们才觉得真正听Tannoy的声音：高度灵敏的号角/硬边纸盆单元，配合小功率和音色绝美的胆机，以中小音量来听古典弦乐。这正是五十至六十年代古典音乐黄金时代的遗音！我们终于理解了日本资深发烧友抱着老Tannoy巨大的箱体为的是达到高效率和敏感轻柔，并不是用来与JBL比爆棚、与ATC比动态好！真要感谢老范，只有像他那样，喜新不厌旧，才提供了我们理解这一层道理的客观条件。也许我太顽固，也许我太浪漫。总之，我不接受Tannoy近年来的新设计：从那批灰色“防火板”系列音箱之后，Tannoy就尽失往日的光彩，六角箱就更加不足言。可笑的是，在大陆发烧圈中，竟然还有不少人为之鼓吹，把它捧为新星……在我看来，Tannoy只有经典系列“木箱”才是宝藏，值得好好珍藏，发掘它的潜力。在这个“一切向钱看”的时代，“木箱”还会存留多久？

以上广泛讨论了英国音箱的特色和一批代表性的名作。也直言不讳地站在用户角度上，表达了对各厂牌的看法。「英国声」最可珍视的正是它的传统，它能坚持到今日，除了厂家和代理的功绩之外，杂志和发烧友的择善固执和忠诚不贰至少有同样功绩。例如3/5A的停产而又复产，发烧友用真金白银挽救了一件行将消失的历史名作，其贡献应与绿色环保主义者同等。作为一个老发烧友，在这里喋喋不休，正是希望厂商和代理能晌应我们的心声。在扩大商业推广的同时，牺牲一些利益和坚持生产一些为我们珍爱的精品名器。使后来的发烧友能够买到正统“英国声”音箱，将这个音晌史上重要的流派继承和发扬光大下去，五十年、一百年不变。
作者：关乃炘

今天问了广州大昌行,Turnberry HE最新要价3万多,还没货.

寻芳不觉醉 在 2004-3-5 22:55:29 发表的内容 Tannoy：《天朗》是早年间港台发烧圈中赫赫有名老牌名厂，在日本尤为有名，在高级发烧友中，用《金嗓子》或精品胆机推《西敏寺》，绝对是身份之象征，往往数十年不想换机，甚至终生相守。可惜的是，近年来Tannoy竟然也追起时尚来了，大量出产中和低价音箱，搞新科技，铺天盖地在中国大陆推广，甚至许多中小城市的音响店用些真假难辨的“六角箱”播放粤语时代曲，唱卡拉OK……令人不忍卒听。难道这就是传奇的“天朗之声”吗？近年来hi-end界聆听口味已变，代表五十年代科技（与美国JBL同时代）的老贵族Tannoy，痛感美人迟暮，转向暴富一族抛媚眼，令人扼腕。其实平心而论，Tannoy自有不可磨灭的辉煌，它代表着与BBC专家学者路线人同的，它是英国传统贵族化（非专业化）音响设计的最高成就。Tannoy的基础设计是大型迷宫式背负号角音箱，大型同轴一体化高/低音全频带单元。Tannoy在五十年代，能设计制造出这样完美的产品，绝对是一代惊世之作，称得上名器这两个字的最确切含意。最近，我在北京发烧圈中对于Tannoy深有认识的友人老范家中，用关氏只有3W输出的直垫三极管2A3单端胆机Natural Diamond来推Tannoy专业监听箱LGM。听Borodin String Quartet演奏老柴《如歌的行板》，琴音深情凄婉，沧桑悱恻，真实无比，不少中央乐团的专家听过也惊为绝唱，比之于一代名器Marantz2推Sonus Faber Guarneri，竟然犹胜一筹！此一刻，我们才觉得真正听Tannoy的声音：高度灵敏的号角/硬边纸盆单元，配合小功率和音色绝美的胆机，以中小音量来听古典弦乐。这正是五十至六十年代古典音乐黄金时代的遗音！我们终于理解了日本资深发烧友抱着老Tannoy巨大的箱体为的是达到高效率和敏感轻柔，并不是用来与JBL比爆棚、与ATC比动态好！真要感谢老范，只有像他那样，喜新不厌旧，才提供了我们理解这一层道理的客观条件。也许我太顽固，也许我太浪漫。总之，我不接受Tannoy近年来的新设计：从那批灰色“防火板”系列音箱之后，Tannoy就尽失往日的光彩，六角箱就更加不足言。可笑的是，在大陆发烧圈中，竟然还有不少人为之鼓吹，把它捧为新星……在我看来，Tannoy只有经典系列“木箱”才是宝藏，值得好好珍藏，发掘它的潜力。在这个“一切向钱看”的时代，“木箱”还会存留多久？ 以上广泛讨论了英国音箱的特色和一批代表性的名作。也直言不讳地站在用户角度上，表达了对各厂牌的看法。「英国声」最可珍视的正是它的传统，它能坚持到今日，除了厂家和代理的功绩之外，杂志和发烧友的择善固执和忠诚不贰至少有同样功绩。例如3/5A的停产而又复产，发烧友用真金白银挽救了一件行将消失的历史名作，其贡献应与绿色环保主义者同等。作为一个老发烧友，在这里喋喋不休，正是希望厂商和代理能晌应我们的心声。在扩大商业推广的同时，牺牲一些利益和坚持生产一些为我们珍爱的精品名器。使后来的发烧友能够买到正统“英国声”音箱，将这个音晌史上重要的流派继承和发扬光大下去，五十年、一百年不变。 作者：关乃炘

Thanks for your extract artical from Mr. Kwan.

Mr. Kwan's comments is absolutely right and I believe he had a deep
feeling toward Mr. Fan's system. They both had finally found out how a
tube amplifier driving the Tannoy sound like.

But it is not the only way to driving Tannoy to it's extreme as most of the
good speakers, they should fully reflect what you feed into the speaker
system but iwthout it's major character (less colouration).

Howver, audiophile like you belong to a minority group of people and I
don't think that would make Tannoy keeping alive. On the other hand
music lovers had many kinds and may not suject to classical music at all.

As a commercial issue, why don't we let the youngsters have a chance to
listen to Tannoy in n affordable price ?? This is also true to Accuphase,
They have series of amplifier for beginers and decerning audiophiles
depending on their budget and their music liking, rather tan classical
music, there are lots of others which were great composotions.

Think about yourself say 20 years ago, what did you listen to? then you
know we or the manufacturers should offer a chance to the juniors
to knock on the door of high fidelity.

You are hell of a good audiophile with lots of experience but we cannot
throw these beginers out from our doors.

I once listened to the Tannoy model 609 driven by a home theatre amp
with exceptional result, punchy, speedy and yet quite musical even when
they play a good classical peice of music. You can hardly believe as many
people didn't like this speaker much.

However, above setup is tune by a master of audio and using good quality
cheap cables and that's it. I was so astonishing for the performance.

Yes, if you compare to the top model of Tannoy driven by top quality amp,
the 609 is quite far beyond but, it sounds right, msuical, correct speed,
punchy as music required.

If we are goin to comment the common Tannoy models, we should step
out from our high-end attitude and treated ourselves as a beginer.

AS an experienced audiophile like your goodself, you should contribute
more comments to helping the juniors to achieve for better sound.

From last audio fair in White Swan Hotel, I listen to the new Tannoy
Prestige seires, I think they are much better than the old models in terms
of tonal balance that not necessarily to use tube amplifier to drive.

Back to the Tannoy commercial issue, like you, I think no one like to see Tannoy is running a non profit company well otherwise, who would support
the R&D ??

My friend, the world is turning and we have to admitted that new
technology is better than before but the problem is that many old
senior audiophiles cannot accept new sound or new technology and
never attempt to tweak the system to a better system. I didn't mean that
old tube amps driving old Tannoy is not good but I would enjoy both
new and old world.

Please note, above comments is to explain Mr. Kwan's article and I think
this article is very old from now. However, using it to telling guys not to
worry about new products.

Furthermore, I think your chioce of Tannoy is respected.

顶一顶.

感谢madog兄的回答，我现在用的CD机是DENON DCD-3000，马上要换成金嗓子DP-65，信号线是NBS MASTER平衡线，喇叭线是ORTOFON SPK8000 8N喇叭线，电源线没换，是机线，目前暂时不准备换功放，朋友推荐改用银彩的线材，请您给我个建议，非常感谢！

lqdxy 在 2004-3-5 9:07:55 发表的内容 感谢madog兄的回答，本人英文不好，只能看懂个大概，现有一事请教：本人现在用贵丰AT推天朗STIRLING HE，中高频很好，中低频量感有些过（本人听音面积不大，大概16-17平方），最近向朋友借来金嗓子E-407，结果中低频量感收了，但丧失了中高频的音色，贵丰的音色相当迷人，中高频活泼，空气中带有水份，而金嗓子就没有，不知您说的E-508如何，好象只听说过有E-408和E-530，没听说过E-508？本想换成E-407，现在只能打消此念头，还有E-530的音色是否比E-407要好很多？朋友说我这套系统可以通过调整线材来改善，他推荐用银彩，可以把中低频的量感收一点，您以为如何？还有，您对麦景图推天朗“荣誉”系列如何评价？谢谢！！！

Please advise what is your CD player and what kind of cable and
interconnects and power cord ?(if you have change the original one.

My candy may become your poision. This is also true to audio system.
When you borrow the E-407, did he also come with the original power
cord? This is vital unless you replace it with a proper and better cord.

E-530 and E-408 have a lot in common in terms of overall performance.
But the E-408 has a thicker midbass but clear. Quite strange.

In you case, you may use either one and is definitely better than the E-407

I don't like silver cables as these silver though has a very attractive mid-
high frequency but sounds flimsy, not enough muscle that cannot
reproduce correct timber. Try some woodwind instruments or Cello or even
the piano, then you know what I mean.

Mac amplifiers are good stuff but I don't really appreciate the Mac
because it sound too fuzzy, very Hi Fi, but not real, or at least it doesn't
show much differences between different recordings.

There is similar situation such as the famed 35A. You might find all violins
sound like 35A violins. 35A is a veru good design speaker, but what
do you expect from such a small speaker which originally was designed
for studios as near field monitor.

Your friend is right, you may tune up your system by choosing the right
cables.

Beware, some time when somebody says mid high are beautiful, it may not
necessarily real. The goal is to dig the reall stuff from the software.

lqdxy 在 2004-3-6 9:38:29 发表的内容 感谢madog兄的回答，我现在用的CD机是DENON DCD-3000，马上要换成金嗓子DP-65，信号线是NBS MASTER平衡线，喇叭线是ORTOFON SPK8000 8N喇叭线，电源线没换，是机线，目前暂时不准备换功放，朋友推荐改用银彩的线材，请您给我个建议，非常感谢！

I don't know how the NBS sound like,but according to your description,
I would try changing the NBS to a thinner interconnect cable so to damp
the bass of being exagerated.

SPK8000 is a good cable but it you use a thick interconnect, then too
too much bass signal will flow into the speaker that smear the bass ( not
tight )

Chang to CD65 is a bloody good idea, in this issue, you may first try the
cable come along with CD-65, think that will have a better control of bass.

On the other hand if you want to keep the NBS, then you should replace
the SPK-8000 with other kind.

You are almost there buddy, with the DP-65, I am sure your system will
upgrade one step higher.

Cheers and good luck.

lqdxy 在 2004-3-6 19:22:56 发表的内容 非常感谢前辈指点，等DP-65到位后，我会试着更换一些收低频的信号线，请前辈推荐几个牌子型号的平衡信号线，晚辈不胜感谢！

I would like to use some cables with real good material such as 7n to 8n
copper but not any of the metal clad ( such as gold plate, silver plate)
as these cables will mislead you to a coloured sound stage. At first these
cables sound lovely but usually flimsy at the mid and high frequency.

There are few brand name with such quality, may be you can use Ortofon
new design cable and the German WBT with it's RCA plug.

Ortofon doesn't have separate plugs for sale while WBT has few models
of RCA plugs for sale. You should buy the top model 0108.

I don't recommand you to use balance if you use WBT cable as they don't
make balance plug as good as the RCA plug which is their own design
made with top notch quality metal and craftmanship and is state of the art.

Orofon is also with good plug but I'm not sure if their Cannon balance plug
is same quality as their RCA plug.

This is th reason why I use to use RCA connections.

Hope this will be helpful to you.

Cheers and good luck to you all.

非常感谢前辈指点，等DP-65到位后，我会试着更换一些收低频的信号线，请前辈推荐几个牌子型号的平衡信号线，晚辈不胜感谢！

l谢谢qdxY兄！ 回了！！

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