揭穿abc的骗局上网联络jvc - 非常发烧网

mmgg - 2005/5/14 9:34:00

只要跟jvc联络上就会明白abc骗局是多么脏

muyi8334 - 2005/5/14 9:43:00

支持~

nethunter - 2005/5/14 11:18:00

绝对支持哦

要发达也不能昧着良心啊

Bosa_nova - 2005/5/14 11:40:00

怎么不把jvc那说明转过来？

Bosa_nova - 2005/5/15 14:38:00

我想起了一件事：文革期间，陶铸被打倒，
他的罪名是紧跟“修正主义”路线，其中被批判的一个反动言论，
就是他说了这样一句话：“宁要一个红线女，也不要一万个公产档员。”
这句话，谁都知道被切头切尾了。试问，做为这个广东大省的一省之头，敢乱说这样的傻话？

楼主这种没头没尾的发言，让人丈二和尚找不着庙。
哗众取宠有什么用，拿出一点实质性的东西，
比如证据，JVC方面鉴证文件，等等。
又或是你自己的聆听报告，最好有详细的听感分析，并做A，B对比。说的大家，还有你认为的JS心服口服才是。
这样，你才有机会成为168的明星网友！

Bosa_nova - 2005/5/15 14:52:00

商业竟争的黑幕的确很黑，我不排除有人故意唱衰某别人来达到自己的商业目的。

我也来说个故事，20年前，广州有两大的啤酒厂，忽然传闻：某啤酒厂失踪了一名工人，随后，在厂内的发酵池发现了一把人的头发，云云。。。。。，坊间谈此啤酒色变，传言不断，结果，两家厂都两败俱伤，一家被外来势力兼并，另一家的市场也被外来啤酒占去了部分的份额。

wolfwei - 2005/5/15 12:48:00

ABC到底怎么了?
如果真是大家说的那样的话
真是让中国的发烧友们伤心啊

golf1800 - 2005/5/15 12:51:00

上点背景资料，好让我们知道来龙去脉。

Bosa_nova - 2005/5/15 15:15:00

毕竟，文革已经过去了35年，“广啤”被兼并也已经将近15年了。

Real - 2005/5/15 19:35:00

普通CD里很好录音的出品也都不少，为什么还需要那么多乱七八糟让人眼花缭乱的标识，你去问问老外为什么？老实说，不变着花样赚钱的才笨蛋！连ZF年年的年审、培训考试制度，还有那些手机制造商，都只不过是想着法子捞钱~
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我明白了B君高见了：

别人都变着花样，你为什么不想着法子捞钱~，看不出是你IQ低

法治社会啊！！！！！多可怕的论调啊！！！！！！！

9500 - 2005/5/15 15:57:00

有ABC的地方就能看见BOSA_NOVA兄.

蚂蚁博士 - 2005/5/15 12:33:00

究竟是怎么回事?
这几天很多人说这个?

jm - 2005/5/15 17:30:00

我爱竖琴在 2005-5-15 16:13:15 发表的内容
ABC　K2　我就觉得好，尤其是邓丽君那张日语碟，很好。不怕拍砖。。。

但K2就说K2,没必要说自己是XRCD,不诚实害自己啊!

我爱竖琴 - 2005/5/15 16:13:00

ABC　K2　我就觉得好，尤其是邓丽君那张日语碟，很好。不怕拍砖。。。

muyi8334 - 2005/5/15 17:46:00

我爱竖琴在 2005-5-15 16:13:15 发表的内容
ABC　K2　我就觉得好，尤其是邓丽君那张日语碟，很好。不怕拍砖。。。

什么？邓3CD很好？你去论坛上看看~~有人早已经做杯垫了~

Bosa_nova - 2005/5/15 15:09:00

不知道楼主有跟JVC联络上没呢？
若JVC有给你回复的信件、文件或电邮，
你都不怕将其公诸于众，我都很想知道我有没有上当~
期待ING。。。。。。

作为好心的忠告，你贴出来的东西，一定是真凭实据，切莫捏造，否则，你可能要负担因此而引起的法律责任。

Real - 2005/5/15 19:20:00

普通CD里很好录音的出品也都不少，为什么还需要那么多乱七八糟让人眼花缭乱的标识，你去问问老外为什么？老实说，不变着花样赚钱的才笨蛋！连ZF年年的年审、培训考试制度，还有那些手机制造商，都只不过是想着法子捞钱~

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您对变着花样赚钱知之太多，真的要您点明啊！！！！
包括XRCD是不是真的“xrcd”

Bosa_nova - 2005/5/15 19:06:00

9500 在 2005-5-15 15:57:57 发表的内容
有ABC的地方就能看见BOSA_NOVA兄.

我不是一个音响发烧友，只是一个爱乐人。
对于国内的发烧唱片，我通常都不太感冒。
我非常讨厌那些做作的花俏的唱片、翻唱的口水唱片，
ABC的唱片是我买过仅有的两家国产“发烧唱片”之一。

ABC给我的感觉，我中肯的说一句：他的唱片里面，基本上没有其他公司那种多余花俏的东西，而他肯真正把母带的拿到国外名厂去做数码处理制作母盘、制版，甚至压盘已经是难能可贵。跟国内靠拿别人的东西“来啥印啥”的厂家相比。已经算是一个肯用心去制作唱片的厂家，尽管在音质方面跟国外原厂可能还有一定的差距。

在我所理解的概念中xrcd与K2这两个JVC的DD，是同宗同源的东西，分别在于：“製作xrcd的所有設備均經過獨立隔離濾波的電源供應器，減少系統運行時不純淨的交流電對數碼的雜波干擾。由於xrcd全部按照16bit/44.1KHz的CD標準製作，所以不需特殊的CD唱盤或解碼器就能明顯展現出與眾不同的優越性。”所以xrcd是JVC公司特有的产品。就算是JVC公司的K2都不是xrcd。所以才有不同的标记商标。如果ABC公司用上了那个“xrcd”或“xrcd2”做商标，那就是JVC的产品了，还会卖６０～８０元么？
想用宝马３系的价钱买辆７系？天底之下有如此美的事情么？能买到都怀疑那是贼赃啦～
至于他大大个字写着XRCD是否误导了自己，那要看自己脑袋是否灌水了？：）

对一间还肯追求上进、还肯用心制作唱片的厂家，善意的意见可以让人进步。将人妖魔化及一棒子把人打S，那我们还有一点希望的民族工业就完蛋了。那你们就等着将大把大把美元贡献给人家吧？哈哈：我不“发烧”～

我说了很多故事，只为说明一个问题：中国的市场不规范，消费意识也不成熟！
我有一个很奇怪的问题，在亚洲这一片角落，怎么会有那么多“发烧友”？那么多的“SX乜DD”？
我心中有一句话，但无论如何都不敢在这里说的，说出来一定S无葬身之地（得罪人无数）！

忘记告诉大家，我听了３０多年音乐，但是2002年才知道HDCD是什么DD，DSD,SACD和xrcd的概念也是半年前才认识的，：（　。
普通CD里很好录音的出品也都不少，为什么还需要那么多乱七八糟让人眼花缭乱的标识，你去问问老外为什么？老实说，不变着花样赚钱的才笨蛋！连ZF年年的年审、培训考试制度，还有那些手机制造商，都只不过是想着法子捞钱~

今天刚刚收到《金装蔡琴》的K2唱片，一定会认真的听一遍。届时会交一份详细的聆听报告，至于我是不是某唱片商的枪手，不会为自己作辩，自有公论！

Bosa_nova - 2005/5/15 19:43:00

我真搞不明白有那么多人的脑袋有问题。
就在乎那几个英文字母？
我道是觉得，ABC一样也可以用上了那个小写字母商标。
那会有多少人愿意花多100元去买这DD？
ABC可不会那么盲目，做为一个成功的商人，
他们难道不了解国内人的消费观念与崇洋心态？
再者，就算ABC出品能够做到与原厂一模一样又如何？
国内的“发烧友”同样能挑出一大堆毛病来。
而且，不担保JVC在技术上有所保留。
我最清楚老外在商品上的种族歧视！！！

Bosa_nova - 2005/5/15 19:27:00

Bosa_nova 在 2005-5-15 19:22:39 发表的内容
蚂蚁博士在 2005-5-15 18:44:43 发表的内容
最近被你们这些闹XRCD格式的人把脑袋都搞晕了!

博士呀：xrcd 只是经过技术处理的普通CD而已，
不是一种音乐格式！别再晕了呀!

我已经说过N遍了，但还是有人的IQ有问题，还说我是枪手，为人辩护：）

Real - 2005/5/15 19:52:00

我真搞不明白有那么多人的脑袋有问题！！！！

你总是把一些变着花样（金利X，XX王）反正是不好的做法和ABC作类比。
是不是你已认为是类似行为？？？

又或你是ABC的对手，曲线来达以目的？？？！！！！

9500 - 2005/5/16 0:13:00

Bosa_nova 在 2005-5-15 19:27:44 发表的内容
Bosa_nova 在 2005-5-15 19:22:39 发表的内容
蚂蚁博士在 2005-5-15 18:44:43 发表的内容
最近被你们这些闹XRCD格式的人把脑袋都搞晕了!

博士呀：xrcd 只是经过技术处理的普通CD而已，
不是一种音乐格式！别再晕了呀!

我已经说过N遍了，但还是有人的IQ有问题，还说我是枪手，为人辩护：）

就是,谁要说BOSA-NOVA兄是枪手我跟谁急!刚才谁说了?站出来!

Bosa_nova - 2005/5/16 1:19:00

。。。。。。

发烧无止境 - 2005/5/16 11:28:00

mmgg 在 2005-5-14 9:34:49 发表的内容
只要跟jvc联络上就会明白abc骗局是多么脏

你买过几张ABC的碟?我看你是ABC的对手.

leslie - 2005/5/16 11:37:00

有人说LV,BURBERRY,GIORGIOARMANI,CALVINKLEIN,CHANNEL,CD不就是几个字母吗..........................

clk - 2005/5/16 11:54:00

我覺得ABC的K2沒有JCVK2哪麼多水份就是了

zjize - 2005/5/16 11:52:00

我不管什么XRCD，我只知道：音质好！价格公道！内容喜欢！
我看某些人是别有用心！B兄，不用跟这种非发烧友的人物计较！

Bosa_nova - 2005/5/16 12:07:00

发烧无止境在 2005-5-16 11:28:04 发表的内容
mmgg 在 2005-5-14 9:34:49 发表的内容
只要跟jvc联络上就会明白abc骗局是多么脏

你买过几张ABC的碟?我看你是ABC的对手.

他肯定是ABC的对手，故意出来搞混潭水的。
否则，怎么没有实质的东西拿出来？

他不肯贴，我来贴：
下面是JVC公司xrcd官方网站上的文字资料，
和网页链接，大家看一看就会很清楚了，
也可以挑挑毛病，ABC上的说明跟JVC的有无出入？

e x t e n d e d r e s o l u t i o n c o m p a c t d i s c f r o m J V C
The EXTENDED RESOLUTION COMPACT DISC (XRCD) from JVC brings the listener
higher fidelity and improved audio quality by enhancing the process of mastering and
manufacturing compact discs.
In most cases, after a record has been mastered, a U-matic 1630 format tape is
prepared and shipped to the manufacturing plant. At this point the artist, producer and
engineers can only hope that their work will return to them in a relatively unchanged
form. This manufacturing chain is not standardized, and while digitally correct, does not
always reproduce the highest audio quality possible. Since the manufacturing process
works as a number of components linked together in series, the overall performance can
only be limited by each stage. This means that extreme care and attention must be paid
to every aspect of mastering and manufacturing to get the most out of the process.
JVC has painstakingly gone through every step of the mastering and manufacturing
process with the goal of retaining the highest sonic purity of the original music.
This was accomplished not by just measuring the results, but in extensive listening tests
to determine the best configuration. Every combination of equipment, connections, AC
power regulation, word clock distribution, mastering format, delivery system and compact
disc construction was tested. The result is the XRCD, a compact disc that offers clearer
definition, more accurate imaging, and higher audio quality than any compact disc before.
The XRCD process starts at the mastering level. The analog signal is taken directly
from the mastering console and digitized using JVC’s 20 BIT K2 SUPER CODING.
The K2 is a 20 bit, 128 times over-sampling analog to digital converter which provides
a dynamic range of 108 dB, -96dB THD, flat frequency response in the passband to within+
0.05dB, and a substantial reduction of harmonic distortion for low level signals. The
K2 SUPER CODING also provides a bit down mode to convert 20 bits to 16 bits and
interface signal reshaping to eliminate time base jitter in the digital data stream. These
two functions are taken advantage of during manufacturing. The 20 bit digital signal is
then transferred to a Sony PCM-9000 using SDIF-2. The Sony PCM-9000 stores the information
on a magneto-optical disc instead of transferring it to the U-matic 1630 format
tape. The XRCD process takes advantage of the stability of the magneto-optical disc,
as well as its 20 bit capacity, and by using it as the audio storage medium for delivery
to manufacturing.
At the JVC manufacturing plant in Yokohama, the 20 bit Sony PCM-9000 magnetooptical
disc is is converted to 16 bits using the K2 SUPER CODING in bit down mode,
via a SDIF-2 connection. This stage resolves the high resolution 20 bit signal to 16 bits
while retaining the integrity of the low level information, which insures a true 16 bit
dynamic range without noise shaping. The 16 bit signal is then EFM encoded.
Another K2 circuit, called the K2 LASER, is used to regenerate the EFM signal
right before going to the laser of the glass cutter. This last stage is the same circuit used
for the K2 SUPER CODING interface, which eliminates any time based jitter that may
be present in the data stream. Throughout this process, the word clock is amplified and
distributed to the other stages to keep signal quality at a maximum. Similarly, all equipment
is run off regulated AC power feeds to provide a pure base from which to work. All
cables and connections between equipment use the SDIF-2 interface for sonic quality
and music integrity. Tests determined the SDIF-2 offered a superior transmission of
digital audio, far above the AES/EBU standard. A variety of materials, including 24k gold
and pure copper were tested, and ultimately aluminum was decided upon after
extensive listening tests. The end result of this manufacturing process is the highest
quality digital transfer from mastering to compact disc.
All of this attention to detail allows the listener to enjoy the music just as the artist,
produced and engineers originally intended it. Every nuance of the performance is
duplicated as it was recorded, with higher accuracy in both soud quality and imaging.
This is the EXTENDED RESOLUTION COMPACT DISC.
For more information on the XRCD please visit WWW.XRCD.COM. • info@xrcd.net

xrcd制作流程图

JVC公司xrcd官方网站：http://www.xrcd.net/Shopping/process.asp

xrcd官方网站的文字说明：

These two functions are taken advantage of during manufacturing. The 20 bit digital signal is then transferred to a PCM-9000 using SDIF-2. The PCM-9000 stores the information on a magneto-optical disk instead of transferring it to the U-matic 1630 format tape. The xrcd process takes advantage of the stability of the magneto-optical disk, as well as its 20 bit capacity, by using it as the audio storage medium for delivery to manufacturing.

At the JVC manufacturing plant in Yokohama, the 20 bit PCM-9000 magneto-optical disk is converted to 16 bits using the K2 Super Coding in bit down mode, via a SDIF-2 connection. This stage resolves the high resolution 20 bit signal to 16 bits while retaining the integrity of the low level information, which insures a true 16 bit dynamic range without using noise shaping. The 16 bit signal is then EFM encoded.

Another K2 circuit, called the K2 Laser, is used to reshape the EFM signal right before going to the laser of the glass cutter. This last stage is the same circuit used for the K2 Super Coding interface, which eliminates any time based jitter that may be present in the data stream. Throughout this process, the word clock is amplified and distributed to the other stages to keep signal quality at a maximum. Similarly, all equipment is run off regulated AC power feeds to provide a pure base from which to work. All cables and connections between equipment use the SDIF-2 interface for sonic quality and music integrity. Tests determined the SDIF-2 offered a superior transmission of digital audio, far above the AES/EBU standard. A variety of materials, including 24K gold and pure copper were tested. Ultimately aluminum was decided upon after extensive listening tests. The end result of this manufacturing process is the highest quality digital transfer from mastering to compact disc.

All of this attention to detail allows the listener to enjoy the music just as the artists, producer, and engineers originally intended it. Every nuance of the performance is duplicated as it was recorded, with higher accuracy in both sound quality and imaging.

This is the Extended Resolution Compact Disc.

VV - 2005/5/16 13:12:00

是就是，不是就不是！！！贴什么东西也改变不了事实！！！！！！
有的人很IQ，但用在。。。。。。。XX上面

为什么是不是XRCD这么简单的问题，这么难回答出口？？

一下价格一下贴DD一下说别家如何如何骗。。。。。

小松 - 2005/5/17 1:27:00

Bosa_nova 在 2005-5-15 19:43:28 发表的内容
我道是觉得，ABC一样也可以用上了那个小写字母商标。
那会有多少人愿意花多100元去买这DD？
ABC可不会那么盲目，做为一个成功的商人，
他们难道不了解国内人的消费观念与崇洋心态？
再者，就算ABC出品能够做到与原厂一模一样又如何？
国内的“发烧友”同样能挑出一大堆毛病来。
而且，不担保JVC在技术上有所保留。
我最清楚老外在商品上的种族歧视！！！

看了你的这个对ABC明褒暗贬的帖子，谁要再说你是ABC的枪手我跟谁急！！！！！！！！

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