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[quote] 原帖由 [b]灼焰寒冰[/b] 于 2007-8-27 22:44:00 发表
请问PM14SA和naim nait5i哪个推hl5好? [/quote]

naim nait5i應該比較好些……………
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[quote] 原帖由 [b]爱hifi[/b] 于 2007-8-29 8:28:00 发表
关注M40改款的消息,谁有最新动态希望在这分享一下。 [/quote]

[size=2]轉貼一下Harbeth user Group的文章

[color=navy]New generation Monitor 40 (M40.1 provisional name)
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I have not been able to give my full attention to the User Group for several weeks. This is because of my commitment to the final stages of the design of the new Monitor 40. Now that I have virtually finished, I would like to take a short holiday. After I return, I will listen again and if I am completely satisfied, we can set a production start date for as early as possible.

This project has been underway for over a year and has ranged through every single aspect of the design. The original objective was quite narrow; to replace the abruptly discontinued VIFA bass unit with a Harbeth designed, Harbeth made woofer. However, as the months progressed, I became deeper and deeper involved with the minute details of the design, and this led to numerous small improvements. So the bass unit is completely new - a 12" first for Harbeth and the midrange driver is a new version featuring a 9 ohm voice coil to keep the system impedance nice and high: a very easy load indeed.

Unfortunately, the changes are so extensive that there is no practical upgrade path from the original model.

You may be interested in my reasoning behind the overall system balance of the new M40.1. I believe that in the 10 years since production commenced we have filled most of the professional installations that demand a true-BBC monitor. Also, most BBC installations are Active, and this allows great flexibility in tuning the speaker to the studio acoustics which is not possible with the passive version as used at home. This has resulted in some users deciding to invest in room-EQ systems when I would like to save them the cost, trouble and inconvenience by making the M40 even more universally usable in ordinary rooms.

The working life of a Harbeth is 15-20 years (or more) so the best potential for sales growth for the M40 is the domestic non-studio market; that is, ordinary rooms in your homes. With this in mind, I have decided that as the Active version offers whatever adjustments the pro user demands, I should concentrate on making the new M40 100% domestic friendly. That means, in the same size classic-BBC three-way box as the previous model ...

1. A tighter, dryer bass thanks to the cast-chassis plastic-coned Harbeth-designed and made 12" woofer (compared to the pressed chassis, paper coned VIFA unit)
2. Higher electrical resistance (and easier load)
3. Even smoother frequency response by attending to micro-details in the response,
4. Better on and above-axis response integration so less height critical due to complete redesign of the crossover (which uses less components)
5. New 8" RADIAL midrange driver with 9 ohm voice coil and long-throw high-flux magnet

and ....

6. Overall system is noticeably more sensitive. About 4dB more sensitive than the original model so nearly the same sensitivity as the C7ES3. That's an astonishing increase in efficiency.

Needless to say, it sounds 100% true to the Harbeth philosophy. What astonishes me is just how huge and unconstrained the sound stage is: as if the sound stage curves around the speakers and along the side walls. It must be related to the extremely well integrated responses.

We have many back orders to complete so please order soon if you expect delivery in 2007. More details to follow: look out for the August 07 News & Views newsletter with pictures of the (grey box, pro-cabinet) prototype being tested recently by Derek and myself in the BBC anechoic chamber. Normal domestic veneers are and remain Cherry and Eucalyptus. Picture of my prototype crossover - fewer components than the original model. I will try and make time to design a new PCB on my laptop.

Am I allowed a short holiday now - please?!

Alan A. Shaw[/color][/size]
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[quote] 原帖由 [b]登峰[/b] 于 2007-12-2 11:15:00 发表
我有一对成色很好的雨后初晴HL-S8(单元和m30用的都是一样的)
有些烧友说他是m30的落地版,不知道对否?请教DX
成色九成以上一般二手卖多少是合理价格!
不要别人吃亏也不要让自己吃亏!!!
同时请教!!! [/quote]

抱歉
HL-S8應該是K6的落地版
這是K6



這是S8

最后编辑cluytens 最后编辑于 2007-12-03 16:26:21
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[quote] 原帖由 [b]herodotus[/b] 于 2008-8-15 17:58:00 发表
我就还有个黑p3,很喜欢啊。 [/quote]

台灣的雨后用家,路過插花一下
我有M30, M20,都是黑檀紀念版
M20是長這樣……………………………

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[quote] 原帖由 [b]novak[/b] 于 2008-8-16 14:51:00 发表

我的M30要是长这样就笑死了。
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一事說出來,不曉得您還會笑否


弟跟台灣的雨后廠商相熟
購入的黑檀版M20, M30,兩對加起來剛好NT$80,000
約合RMB1.8W多一點
最后编辑cluytens 最后编辑于 2008-08-18 11:34:14
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[quote] 原帖由 [b]novak[/b] 于 2008-8-18 12:47:00 发表

是指台湾那位吴先生?多希望他来做大陆的代理!!!我购入普通M30时(近五年前?),黑檀版要价RMB2.2W,比你两个相加还多得多。我没有办法筹得这些,现在懊恼也来不及了。

你说我是笑还是哭?我看还是两样都收起,遥遥望着你的流口水吧。 [/quote]


台灣的代理的確是吳先生
不過,他最近跟Allen Shaw的溝通出了些問題
以後再賣雨后30週年版,台灣的售價也會再提高了,往後M30的實售價約RMB1.8W
話說回來,中港台的雨后售價應該都還是比美國低

1.弟是跟吳先生熟識,幾乎就是用經銷價的優惠來購入,比台灣的市售價更低
而之前,台灣的黑檀版M30市售約RMB1.6W(不過,黑檀版已經絕版了,在台灣只能去二手找找)

2.前日貼的黑檀M20照片,並非台灣的市售版,而是精選黑檀木版,實際只生產了五對
這五對並沒有在市面流通,完全是吳先生直售給相熟的樂友(即使想買,也未必有所得)
精選的黑檀木皮,外觀是比一般市售版更精美、漂亮,但聲音表現是一樣的

3.novak兄要是有閒情逸致,建議您在內地找對30週年版M30來聽聽(弟原來也是一般版的用家)
30週年版與台灣的黑檀木版,Allen Shaw在機內配線與配對上作了些改良
整體聲音的高低延伸、解析力與通透感,都有很大的提升
除了在中頻,還保有雨后的迷人特質外
其他方面的performance,幾乎是有了絕大的改善
台灣的第一位M40用家,聽過30週年版的M30後,他也承認新版M30的高頻表現更勝M40
30週年版的雨后,等於在聲音獲得了進化,更能表現出音樂的微妙、細緻處
M30的監聽味更重了,這種監聽感並非單指聲音,而是對音樂演繹的全面監聽
弟與友人都認為,新版的M30幾乎就是可以廝守一輩子的音樂播放器材
最后编辑cluytens 最后编辑于 2008-08-18 17:16:16
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[quote] 原帖由 [b]万众[/b] 于 2008-8-18 20:12:00 发表
     台湾产雨后听过一款25周年签名版。和我的英产做pk时,我认为全面输一截。这二款用料不同,中低音喇叭不同。声音自然不同。“台弯的是密度扳贴木皮,英产的是多层实木。台的中低音没在外沿上打雨后的英文,中心那个小棍可随盆动,折环也不同”。不知是否我看到的是假货?
   雨后的架子一定不能限制箱的自然振动,但又不能同步振动。这个肯定有学问。美国丅架是二前一后柱。但上面是二横面“音箱四角落架”。供 [/quote]

早期弟有對HL-C7ES,RADIAL單體的外沿的確有打上Harbeth
不過2000年後出的Harbeth,RADIAL單體的外沿都沒有任何標示
按您說的,您的喇叭應該是早期型號的HL-Compact

再者,25週年版肯定是一段失敗時期的產品
那段時間,Allen Shaw請了個「專業經理人」來搞cost down(成本不曉得有無善,但品質確實受到影響)
我沒聽過25週年版的聲音,但外觀、做工肯定是變差了
25週年後再出的產品,品質有了蠻多改善,似乎沒再搞cost down…………………
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[quote] 原帖由 [b]novak[/b] 于 2008-8-19 8:15:00 发表
雨后还有台产和英产?如何分辨?

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雨后沒有台產的
這應該是誤傳………………
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[quote] 原帖由 [b]novak[/b] 于 2008-8-19 9:28:00 发表
啊呀,我的就是25周年版,经[b]cluytens[/b]兄这一说,我真的要去搞30年版?昨天已经稍微问了问30周年版,好像要很贵哟。我没有和其他M30对比过,不知道声音、外观及作工的差别。 [/quote]

Hello
小弟先幫您留意著
如果往後真有黑檀版M20拋出來,再請您來台灣帶回去唄


要是銀彈夠,找個機會去聽聽30週年紅木版
比起25週年版…
黑檀版 & 30週年紅木版,才是值得陪您一輩子的音樂伙伴
30週年版的外觀、做工與聲音表現,應該會全面KO您的M30
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