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V-Cap TFTF formal review



                                               by Ackcheng and Tai Po (Hong Kong)


The quest continues……….
It all started a few years ago when I had an opportunity to own my audio system with Onkyo AV intergrated amp and a pair of KEF. Just like anyone interested in audio equipment, I went to many friends’ homes and listened to their systems. It didn’t take long before I fell in love with tubed equipment. However, the price was out of my reach! It didn’t take long before I realized that there are tube amps available from our motherland, China at a much lower cost. Buying my first integrated tube amp with 6L6 has quenched my thirst – but not for long………… there are just so many areas that can be improved. Listening in the audio shops will give you an idea of what good sound should be. However, even with the Chinese tube amp, those that can give good sound still cost a lot……….. This is why I ended up in the road of DIY.



One of the advantages in living in a big city like Hong Kong is that it is so crowded, but this also means that you can easily find someone with your interests. After knowing a company called TranscendentSound on the internet and the open circuit, I began to build my first ever tube preamp – the Grounded Grind (GG). The circuit is designed with the idea of "simple = best". The sonic character is fast and well controlled even at the base region. This gives you the best of both tube and SS world! The author of the circuit believes that good circuit design is far more important than using expensive components. One day, in a friend’s home, I had a chance to hear a scratch built preamp with crap <$2 components and the one with Solen, RMG etc……. The verdict was simple. Good components do make a difference………. a big difference. Period.

So I went on to modify my GG with Black gates and RMG with Jensen copper as the coupling caps. The sound was really good. Good dynamics, good details, and resolution…… But being an anal-retentive person like me, I never stop. I started to play with cables, and this is how I came across Chris from VH Audio about his cryo cables which are really great. They further enhance the transparency of my system. Like the veil has been taken off, as some of my friends said. After buying a few times from Chris, I had a feeling that we both have the same quest for the same type of sound - transparency, speed, good control, accurate tonal balance, wide and deep soundstaging. One day, I received an email from Chris about his new cap – the V-Cap. Well, the price was a bit high, but since they were at a reduced price because of promotional offer, I thought I may give it a try after the positive experience with the cryo cables and the cotton silver interconnect. Actually, after the Jensen copper, I have also tried Dynamic cap, Russian Teflon caps, Jupiter caps and MCap Silver oil. Each cap has its own characteristics, with the MCap Silver giving the best highs and most balance, but perhaps the bass was a bit dim.

The V-Cap took a few days to arrive in a securely packed box, and each pair of caps was wrapped in paper towels and an air tight plastic bag. The pair I ordered was 1uF, which is an exact replacement for the coupling cap in GG.

Once I received the V-Cap, it was immediately installed in the system composed of DIY GG as preamp, 2 DIY TranscendentSound T8 OTL as power amp. The T8 is actually bi-amped to control the 2 way speakers after a DIY active crossover. The source is a Marantz SA14a ver 1 with modified clock and most capacitors changed to Blackgates.

When the V-Cap was first installed, the sound was already as good as the MCap Silver, with a very good treble and good extension to the high end. However, even though the extension was good, the treble in this fresh new cap was a bit "digital", not as smooth as the well-burnt MCap. There are no loss to details, but the sound stage was a bit contracted, the bass was also restricted and loose. But this is just for the first one hour of the caps life. When compared to Dynamic cap, the V-Cap in this first hour is less dynamic. After the first 10 hours, the V-Caps had settled down, and the "digital" sound had virtually disappeared.

After this, the V-Cap was burnt-in for another 100 hours. I tried not to listen during these 100 hours to see if there was any real change. At about 100 hours, we had a gathering with a couple GG DIY group members, to see the half burnt-in V-Cap. We had Jensen, Dynamic cap, Jupiter cap, Russian teflon and MCap Silver all connected via a dip switch so we could do an A/B comparison. All are of 1uF in value which is the exact value specified in the circuit. At 100 hours, the V-Cap is more relaxed, and we can now listen for a long time without causing fatigue. The high is already silky smooth and the bass extension is also very good. The mid range is getting more refined and smooth. The Paper in oil army grade cap, Dynamic and Jupiter all have different characteristics. The Dynamic cap is really "dynamic", Jupiter gives a lot of details but the V-Cap wins them all, and by a good margin. The V-Cap is both detailed and dynamic. Listening to live recordings gives you an impression of being there. Focusing is particularly good, especially when listening to symphony type of music- you can tell the location for each piece of instrument!

However, none of these have prepared us for the phenomenal impact on the system when we listen to the V-Cap again at 400 hours of burn in a few weeks later…………..
At 400 hours of burn-in, the shoot out continued. Good extension to both high and bass with good control and silky smooth trebles was already present at about 200 hours of burn-in. What else can this cap improve on with this few hundred hours of burnt in? Alot. If you haven’t listened to it, you wouldn’t believe me.

Using the same setting, we played a variety of music this time, and compared the different caps. First up was David Roth’s Pearl River from Stockfish records, the sound of the guitar was really, really good. You could hear the details of change of the sound when he slid his fingers along the strings when he changed chords. He voice was very relaxing and comfortable, but accurate. To determine whether equipment can differentiate the different characteristics of an instrument, The Miracle Makers by Bein & Fushi is the acid test. This CD is composed of music by many different violins, each with its special character, and all worth more than a fortune. The total cost of the violins cost over $100 million. It was an enormous effort to produce these recordings. This is a MUST BUY CD for the violin lover. With the V-Cap, the characteristics and tonality of each violin are very well presented. When using the MCap, the sound of the violin is very smooth too, but the character is not as distinct. The features are not as accurate. What about other caps? Well, forget them.

What about vocals, for female vocals, we chose Carol Kidd – All my tomorrows SACD, LINN records. Her sexy, sweet voice is already well known to many. The V-Cap not only further enhanced her presentation of smoothness, but also let you hear the music coming from the base of her throat. You can feel the power and strength of her voice, yet was very smooth and relaxing. These characteristics are particularly evident with Louis Armstrong – What a wonderful world. The vibration of the vocal cords is so clear. Perhaps too clear for some!

What about live music? We tried Vivaldi’s four seasons. The version we listened was Gala Stradivarius Concert by the English chamber orchestra, Start Records. This is a live recording ….. The sensation of space and air is so strong that we had a feeling our listening area of about 150ft had extended to the whole hall. Even using stereo speakers, it felt as if we were using a multichannel amp! However, despite this feeling of space, there is no loss of sound stage- it is wide and deep, not contracted in the middle of the empty space. The resolution is clear and the positions of different equipment are also very accurate. You can "see" the whole orchestra in front of you.

To test the speed and dynamics, we used SACD version of Living Stereo – Offenbach: Gaite Parisienne. The V-Cap is fast… very fast. There is no muffling of the sound and the sound of each instrument is distinctly heard, even though this recording has many instruments and is very fast with so many things going on at the same time. The dynamics are also excellent, with no compromise in detail or big swing to either end of the listening frequency.

Our last test was positioning, and we used Musik wie von einem anderen stern, Manger. When listerning to Der Himmel deckt alles mit Stille zu, the position of the door and the ticking clock etc… are accurately placed with both horizontal and vertical dimensions giving a real 3D experience.

Overall, the V-Cap is an outstanding cap that we are all very happy with. It belongs to the fast, accurate type with a good balance of musicality. We are extremely happy with the effect it has on the system. Will I stop here? Well, there are always areas to improve, the resistors, the power caps………, but at least I have found THE CAP for the coupling position in my preamp, and for this position, this will be the end…

The quest continues……..

最后编辑sprs 最后编辑于 2007-12-28 18:02:37
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                                                                        著名的V-Cap TFTF 特富龙电容评测
                                                                                            作者:Ackcheng and Tai Po (香港)
                                                                                            翻译:sprs

生生不息,发烧不止 (The quest continues)……

我玩音响开始于几年之前,我最初拥有的是一台安桥AV合并功放和一对KEF的箱子。和大多数对音响设备感兴趣的人那样,我拜访了很多发烧友的家,仔细聆听他们的系统,没有多久,我就深深爱上了电子管设备。然而,他们的价格是却我无法企及的。不久之后,我发现在我们的故乡——中国——可以买到价格低廉的电子管设备。于是我购买了第一台6L6电子管的合并发烧功放,可是没过多久,它就再也不能满足我的升级欲望了。自己的系统有太多的地方可以提升,音响店里美妙的音效一再的盘旋在耳边,不停地告诉我正确的声音应该是怎样怎样……,然而中国出产的非常好听的电子管设备对我来说仍然太贵了。因此我走上了DIY的道路 。

世界是如此的小,你可以很容易发现和你兴趣相投的人。我在网上接触到一个叫“TranscendentSound”的公司,他们公开了一些电路图,于是我开始制作自己第一台电子管前级――GG。这款电路有着先进的设计理念 :“简单就是最好”。它的声音特点是快速并且控制力很好,甚至在低频段也一样。电路作者相信好的电路设计远远胜过更换昂贵的电子元件。可是一次在一个朋友家听到元件对比,更换的是Solen电容和RMG电阻,结果非常明确,好的元件带来声音巨大的变化。

因此我开始摩自己的GG,使用BlackGate电容,RMG电阻,Jensen铜膜作为耦合电容。声音非常好听,好的动态,好的细节和解析力……但我是这样一个“肛门紧锁”的人(an anal-retentive person:很挑剔、很麻烦、难搞定的人),永远不会满足。我开始玩各种线材,正是在此期间我认识了Chris,他的VHaudio网站,和他的“深低温处理”线材,这些线材非常优秀。他们极大的改善了我系统的透明度,就像我朋友说的,揭去了蒙着的面纱。在购买了几次Chris先生的器材后,我认识到我们对声音有这同样的追求――“通透,快速,好的控制力,正确的音色平衡,宽阔而深的声场”。一天,我收到Chris先生的一封邮件,关于他的新电容――V-cap。当然,价格是有点贵,但是作为老客户有一定的优惠,加上之前对深低温线材和棉绝缘纯银信号线的良好体验,我决定尝试一下。事实上,在使用Jensen电容之后,我曾经尝试过Dynamic电容、前苏联导弹用特富龙电容、Jupiter电容和M-cap银油电容。他们每种电容都有自己的个性,其中M-cap银油电容拥有最高的品质和最平衡的音色,但是低频还是有些浑浊。
一段时间后,我收到了邮寄的V-cap电容,每对电容都很好的包装着。我订购的是1uF的容量,恰好精确替代GG的耦合电容。

我一收到V-cap就立刻把它安装在GG前级和两套T8 OTL功放里。我的系统是两路主动分频接双功放。音源是马兰士SA14A(摩过时钟,电容改为BlackGate)。

当V-cap电容刚刚装上的时候,声音就和原来褒开的M-cap银油电容一样好,而且高频和和延展性更好。虽然延伸很好,但是这颗新电容的高频仍然有点数字味,不如褒透的M-cap银油那样平滑。细节没有减少但是声场压缩了,低音依然是松散无力。但,这仅仅是V-cap开声第一个小时的声音,和Dynamic电容比较起来,也动态不足。10个小时之后,数字味开始渐渐消失。

之后褒了又100个小时,我努力在这100个小时中间不去注意变化。在大概100个小时的时候,我搜集齐了之前用过的所有电容,来比较一下看看褒开一半的V-cap的声音素质如何。这些电容有:Jensen、Dynamic Cap、Jupiter Cap、前苏联导弹用特富龙电容和M-cap银油。所有的电容都是1uF,通过一个切换器来切换,方便进行A/B比较。100个小时的V-cap更加的宽松,可以长时间的聆听而不会疲劳。高频已经非常丝滑,低频延伸已经非常好了。中频更加精确和润泽。军规的油浸纸膜电容、Dynamic和Jupiter各有各的优点,Dynamic有真正的动态,Jupiter给你非常丰富的细节,但是V-cap胜过他们所有,而且胜出好大一截。V-cap同时具有细节和动态,聆听现场录音的时候仿佛置身现场。声场聚焦特别的出色,特别是听交响乐的时候,你能够听出每一片声部的位置。

400个小时之后,所有那些之前用过的电容再也无法给我们任何特别印象。

褒了400个小时的V-cap,变化仍然在继续。极好的高低频延伸、全频控制力和丝滑的高音在200个小时的时候就已经表现出来,那么后面的200个小时发生了什么变化,你或许无法想想,很多很多,如果你没有听过,你永远也不会相信。

这一次,我们使用之前A/B比较的设计,又比较了不同的音乐。首先播放的是《David Roth’s Pearl River from Stockfish records》,吉他的声音是非常的、非常的好。你能够听到他切换和弦时手指擦动琴弦的声音。他的嗓音是松弛舒适的,但非常准确。

为了测试我的设备是否可以表现乐器间的不同风格,我们播放了《The Miracle Makers by Bein & Fushi》。这张CD是多把不同小提琴演奏的合集。每一把小提琴都有自己独特的风格,而且价值连城。这些小提琴加起来的价值超过1亿美金。搜集这些录音需要巨大的努力,是小提琴爱好者的必买CD。通过V-cap,每把小提琴的风格和音色都被忠实的刻画出来。使用M-cap的时候小提琴的声音虽然非常柔美,但是不同小提琴的风格区别不大,这种声音是不正确的。至于其他电容的声音如何,呵呵,我们还是不要提它们了。

下面测试女声,我们选择了《Carol Kidd – All my tomorrows SACD, LINN records》。她性感,甜美的嗓音被很多人熟知。V-cap不仅完美演绎了她的这些特点,还让你清晰的听到发自她喉咙深处的颤动。你可以感觉到她声音的能量和密度,亦然光滑和松弛。这些特点在播放《Louis Armstrong – What a wonderful world》的时候更加显著,声带的震动是如此的清晰,甚至有点太清晰了。

现场录音如何呢?我们播放了维瓦尔第的《四季》,版本是“Gala Stradivarius Concert by the English chamber orchestra, Start Records”,是现场录音。仅仅是两个声带,带来的空间感和空气感是如此强烈,我们感觉到声场已经延伸超过150英尺到达整个大厅,就好象我们使用的是多声道系统一样,声场又宽又深,没有任何压缩。解析是清晰地,不同声部的位置非常准确。仿佛可以看到整个管弦乐队在你面前。

为了测试动态,我们播放了SACD版的现场录音《Offenbach: Gaite Parisienne》。V-cap是快速的,非常快速,没有任何朦胧。每个乐器都清晰可见,尽管这个录音中有非常多的乐器同时做非常快速的演奏,无数的声音同时发出。V-cap的动态仍然非常优秀,在全频段中细节和大动态都没有任何妥协。

我们最后的测试是定位,我们播放了《Musik wie von einem anderen stern, Manger》。当聆听到曲目“Der Himmel deckt alles mit Stille zu”时,门、钟表等都待在正确的位置和高度。

总体来说,V-cap是我们都非常喜欢的电容,快速精确但又非常好的和音乐味达到平衡,它在这套系统上的表现另我们极其的开心。我会就此停止么?不,这里还有很多地方可以提升,电阻,电源电容…….,但是至少我已经确定了这套系统的耦合电容,而且永远不会再更换。

生生不息,发烧不止 (The quest continues)……
最后编辑sprs 最后编辑于 2007-12-28 18:09:33
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回复:著名的V-Cap TFTF评测文章。作者: Ackcheng and Tai Po (Hong Ko...

再好,只要说到钱,我就不买。
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回复:著名的V-Cap TFTF评测文章。作者: Ackcheng and Tai Po (Hong Ko...

原来V-cap是一个电容品牌.
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呵呵,家电已经贴了,还是看这里,sprs别见怪,只是探讨一下
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V-cap是好靓声这个不假、但是 M-cap银油电容低频有些浑浊?不会吧?
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回复:著名的V-Cap TFTF评测文章。作者: Ackcheng and Tai Po (Hong Ko...

原文中的 the MCap Silver giving the best highs and most balance, but perhaps the bass was a bit dim 应译作M-cap银电容给发出最好的高音和最平衡的音色,但或许低频有些傲弱。
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回复:著名的V-Cap TFTF评测文章。作者: Ackcheng and Tai Po (Hong Ko...

哈哈,抱歉,我也是赶鸭子上架,翻译的不好。
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回复: 著名的V-Cap TFTF评测文章。作者: Ackcheng and Tai Po (Hong Kong)

原帖由 1801b 于 2007-12-28 19:47:00 发表
http://www.10audio.com/sonicap_oimp_multicap.htm



这篇讲的是v-cap的油浸电容,我翻译的文章讲的是v-cap的特氟隆电容。不是一个系列,价格差了好几倍。
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原帖由 烧也乐 于 2007-12-28 21:53:00 发表
V-cap是好靓声这个不假、但是 M-cap银油电容低频有些浑浊?不会吧?


MCAP银油是很好的电容,但分给谁比。和VCAP TFTF比,就很一般了。我褒了不到200小时。感觉是惊人的。如果离褒开还有距离的话,我不知如何说这种电容。不听到确实感受不到它的作用。
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是好东西啊,正在煲用!
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好文,支持下!
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