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Naim - 2005/6/29 13:27:00
[quote]潮州友 在 2005-6-29 10:15:29 发表的内容
又换机子？别再放毒啦……[/quote]
是，下决心退了CD5X，上202/200的标配CDX2。
这样将来才不会后悔嘛！
：）
潮州友 - 2005/6/29 10:15:00
又换机子？别再放毒啦……
鲁鲁 - 2005/6/29 14:31:00
naim兄能不能说说威马排插的使用感受，期待中～
Naim - 2005/6/29 19:44:00
虽然CD5X已经很好，是美国Stereophile B级榜推荐器材，是香港Hi-Fi Review 2004年度CD机，但是......
与CDX2还没得拼，即使加了HiCap也只有CDX2的7成表现，所以才下决心换。
大奇 - 2005/6/29 20:06:00
CDI和CDX看来是同档次的东西,不过从用料上看,似乎CDI更重料一点,不知声音差别有多大?[upload=jpg]Upload/20056292061140055.jpg[/upload][upload=jpg]Upload/20056292062639371.jpg[/upload]
Naim - 2005/6/29 20:03:00
转贴英国的HTK对CD5+HiCap，CD5X+HiCap和CDX2的对比结果：
Result.
If you want the short version, the CDX2 walked it.
If you want the longer version read on….
The lovely Hell (my wife) and I trundled off to Audience this afternoon and spent a slightly hot and sticky but enjoyable four hours exercising our ears. I took Rush, Garbage, Scritti Pollitti, Yes and Propaganda. She took Bowie, Peter Gabriel, Sisters of Mercy and Lou Reed. The set up (which is left on 24/7, they say) was 200/202 with Arrivas. We listened to our CD5 + Hi Cap, CD5x + Hi Cap and CDX2.
We first had to tune ourselves into the demo system so that we could get a reference point, so we listened to our CD5/Hi for a good hour until we were happy that it was performing consistently and had warmed up enough to be a reliable benchmark. The sound coming out after half an hour didn’t sound a million miles away from our home system. It didn’t sound as good as the home system IMO but it was close enough. In honesty, I though it was probably the Arrivas which were the weakest link. I get what they do and I see their strengths, but I don’t like the tonal balance. Hell didn’t mind it so much.
Anyway, we got ourselves aquatinted with the shop system and decided not to start swapping speakers over or adding Hi Caps/NapSacs, because it would blur the benchmark and take up too much time. All the foot tapping, smile inducing characteristics that I love about the CD5/Hi came through loud and clear (tonal balance notwithstanding) so after we’d given it the thumbs up the CD5x/Hi was swapped in. Not a subtle difference in both of our opinions.
The bass went deeper without slowing down and the highs opened up to give a much more airy, relaxed presentation. There was more detail all the way through. It sounded like a CD5/Hi with ‘taller gearing’. This should be noted in the context of the CD5/Hi’s already undoubted ability to bounce its way joyfully through most disks to feed it. It’s difficult to quantify. For arguments sake, let’s say it sounds like CD5/Hi + 15-20% at the top and bottom, with a slightly more open midband. A less strained result. You might not think a CD5/Hi sounds strained in the first place (I certainly didn’t) but the 5x suggests otherwise. Surprising. You can hear exactly where the extra money is going from the sound that comes out of it. Well worth the extra outlay and a no brainer if you stop there.
But we didn’t. The CDX2 beckoned.
To my ears, this is not so much listening to a better CDP as living on a different planet. I have a box full of adjectives and I don’t know which one to use first! Refined, unfussed, music shaking free of the Hi Fi, muscular, detailed blah blah blah….. This player sounds so smooth and relaxed (yet minutely detailed) that the music becomes the centre of attention, not the gear. Of course you should be listening to the music, not the Hi Fi in the first place. If you haven’t mastered how to make your brain do this, the CDX2 comes to the rescue. It’s not about bass extension, it’s about HOW it was played. Sure, the lows go lower which is part of it - the detail is startling. This applies right across the frequency range but it’s irrelevant because this player does MUSIC and EMOTION. The performance is projected out in a way that you can either sit back and let it bathe you or listen to an aspect of the performance that you want to follow. Crystal clear vocals out front, clever little flicks on the skins, or maybe the fact that the bass a very slight bit of reverb on it. You get the drift…… Everything I listened to on the CDX2 yielded a bit of insight or detail that I have not heard before. In all cases there was extra detail but again, you quickly get away from Hi Fi terms of reference and get more of a feel for what the musician was trying to do. I’ve heard descriptions along the lines of blackness around vocals and instruments. Yep, that tracks.
I went out for a leg stretch and fag break and left Hell feeding the CDX2 for 20 min. I was convinced of the clear advantages of the CDX2 but we tried not to discuss it too much so that we wouldn’t be egged on by each other’s preferences (if that makes any sense?). When I got back she pronounced that if we didn’t get the CDX2 she’d chain herself to it. Fair enough. Deal done. Yes a home trial would sensible, but we’d heard enough. There was no going back as far as we were concerned.
We received a better than expected offer for the old gear which was nice, but we’d already decided to let Audience have it unless they offered stupidly low, because of their consummate professionalism and extreme friendliness. Happily, this didn’t turn out to be an issue. The CDX2 should be with us by the end of the month – just in time for our birthdays – nice.
Usual disclaimer: this is all according to my ears, brain and preferences. Treat it with the usual healthy scepticism but if it serves as a guide for you I’m happy to share. I still believe the CD5 is an excellent player at its price point and the addition of a Cap gives more than the sum of its parts. The CD5x with a Hi cap is clearly in front of its predecessor, and by an amount you would expect for the extra money. And then there’s the CDX2…. Don’t get me started again! We’ll be looking at sliding in an XPS2 in due course, but in the mean time we’ve got enough enjoyment to be getting on with.
Cheers
Harry
naim - 2005/6/29 19:37:00
[quote]潮州友 在 2005-6-29 17:13:04 发表的内容
cd5x要出血给代理吧希望这血不会很多！
期待cdx2跟cd5x的较量[/quote]
不用，只补差价。
Naim的全球服务很好，如果有问题可以发Mail给英国总部获取帮助。
Naim - 2005/6/29 20:14:00
转贴Naim系列CD机族谱：
CD1 1992，Replaced by CD2 at 1995
CD2 1995，Discontinued at 1998
CD3 1995，Replaced by CD3-5 at 1997
CD3-5 1997， Discontinued and replaced by CD5 at 2000
CD5 2000，
CD5i 2003，
CDS 1991， Upgraded at 1992
CDS 1991， Replaced by CDS2 at 1998
CDS2 1998， Replaced by CDS3 at 2002
CDS3 2002，
CDX 1998， Replaced by CDX2 at 2002
CDX2 2002。
Naim - 2005/6/29 16:15:00
[quote]鲁鲁 在 2005-6-29 14:31:08 发表的内容
naim兄能不能说说威马排插的使用感受，期待中～[/quote]
现在还很难讲。
排插的做工和质地都很令人满意，看上去放心。接上后，直接的感觉是低频比原先直接插在墙上要厚了些，其他没有很明显的变化。
威马排插和电源线号称要煲300小时，Niam前后级号称要常开半年才达到最佳表现。目前系统的表现似乎在逐渐提高，因使用时间不长，很难说是排插的进步还是功放的进步。
总体感觉排插还是很适合Naim，因为Naim的味道没有变，而且逐渐浓郁起来。不知是否有更好的搭配，但已经很满意。
前些日子与同好们切磋试机，功放开关电比较频繁，过些日子还要换CDX2，真正的表现要连续几个月保持开机运行才知道。
潮州友 - 2005/6/29 17:13:00
cd5x要出血给代理吧希望这血不会很多！
期待cdx2跟cd5x的较量
dcpfq - 2005/6/29 22:39:00
naim兄:有各型号当年的参考格价吗?CDI是我的追求目标
Naim - 2005/6/29 22:59:00
[quote]dcpfq 在 2005-6-29 22:39:20 发表的内容
naim兄:有各型号当年的参考格价吗?CDI是我的追求目标[/quote]
不好意思，没有已停产的那些CD的价格表。
目前在生产的CD有大约的价格：
CD5i － CD5的简化版 约10000多
CD5X － CD5的增强改进版 约22000左右
CDX2 约40000左右
CDS3 约73000左右
CDI只能找二手的，会有质量和损耗风险。
dcpfq - 2005/6/30 12:48:00
N兄对naim的产品如此了解,实在高手 ; 今后多多指教。我现用nain-3功放机推LS3\5A CD机打算升级.
recorders - 2005/6/30 14:03:00
我会选cd5+Hicap，不会选cdi
Naim - 2005/6/30 15:50:00
[quote]dcpfq 在 2005-6-30 12:48:12 发表的内容
N兄对naim的产品如此了解,实在高手 ; 今后多多指教。我现用nain-3功放机推LS3\5A CD机打算升级.[/quote]
Nait3是很不错的功放。
也许可以考虑新的CD5X，以后还可以加HiCap。
CD5好象没有新货了。
按照Naim音源优先的设计理念，CDX2＋Nait3肯定好过CD5X+HiCap＋Nait3。我曾比较过CD5i和CD5X分别推Nait5i，差距明显。
我感觉，Naim这东西，只要音箱不难推，就要首先把钱投在音源上，其次是前级。
dgpfq - 2005/6/30 20:26:00
[quote]大奇 在 2005-6-30 17:17:41 发表的内容
同意NAIM兄观点,另CDI是CDS MK1的合并版,也就是以前的二哥,国外大部分的NAIM迷都在用CDI或CD2,没真正把玩过CDI的人是不会知道它的好处的.[/quote]大兄能说说你的音响系统。
大奇 - 2005/6/30 17:17:00
同意NAIM兄观点,另CDI是CDS MK1的合并版,也就是以前的二哥,国外大部分的NAIM迷都在用CDI或CD2,没真正把玩过CDI的人是不会知道它的好处的.
Naim - 2005/7/6 13:29:00
转贴欣赏！
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Naim - 2005/7/6 13:27:00
转贴Naim系统图，分享Naim之美。
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Naim - 2005/7/8 23:29:00
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Naim - 2005/7/8 23:39:00
Naim的外观比较内敛，很容易和家居氛围融合在一起。
不像有的音响设备的设计冒不惊人死不休，与家居极难协调，弹眼落睛。
Naim - 2005/7/8 23:31:00
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Naim - 2005/7/12 15:17:00
一台CD的价格与前后级相当，不去说绝对的价钱，相对的说，听系统的声音有如此截然的变化，就觉得很值。
CD Transport Compatibility: VAM1250。
Naim论坛里几乎每个老外都说 the money worh it，终于有同感了。
CDX2用的是金属脚，叠在前后级上会滑，也容易刮伤外表。看来要上一个架子了。
稍后上图。
Naim - 2005/7/12 21:53:00
精致可爱的压片器！！
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潮州友 - 2005/7/10 21:47:00
Naim兄：CDX2到手吧？谈谈感受小弟关注中
Naim - 2005/7/12 15:05:00
CDX2/202/200初听感受：
所听到过的最清澈，柔润，飘逸的珍纳。伴有动人的节奏感。虽然已拿掉后墙上的绒毯，但听什么都不吵，比如萨克斯。感觉电视机后面的空气要比我坐的地方的清澈，有弹性。低频下潜更深了。
原先的DVD真的不在一个档次。波罗密多的尘鼓，原来鼓多的时候会有些混，但现在分布得清清楚楚，鼓声弹性十足，不乱不吵。
终于听到柔和，圆满，丰润的弦乐了。感觉出琴的木味和弦的弹性。罗西尼的节奏完全不是DVD放得那样了。原来许多碟都有丰满得低频，当低频被正确表达后，全频都平衡好听。
Naim - 2005/7/12 21:50:00
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Naim - 2005/7/12 21:38:00
我的系统。正在考虑上FRAIM。
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recorders - 2005/7/14 20:23:00
听“一辈子”箱子肯定没有，naim的喇叭线最好试听，才决定买，很有个性的喇叭线。naim兄你是否用canare喇叭线？
Naim - 2005/7/14 22:43:00
[quote]recorders 在 2005-7-14 22:22:57 发表的内容
naim的喇叭线好像不是这样的特性，naim喇叭线主要在中高频表现比较细腻、顺滑，但是低频的控制力比较欠缺。[/quote]
噢！会注意感觉一下。